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December 23, 2009



FWIW, Lord of the Rings is more morally clear than the bachur is portraying it.

The "bad guys" are bad because they enslave the good looking species. Their leader wants to obtain the ring in the title in order to extend that empire to include everyone. In a period before the main books, this guy was the high priest of a god whose nickname was "the lord of the dark", and the religion involved human sacrifice. BTW, Tolkien named the god "Melkor", and so it sounded to me like a (perhaps subconscious on Tolkien's part) connection to the Canaanite "Molekh". People he enslaves turn over to his side and go ugly, but clearly the subservience they exercise is not a state they want before being taken over.

Whereas the leaders of the good guys lead by public acclamation, not suppression of dissent.

Anyone who gets the ring gets so obsessed with power that they lose sight of everyone and everything else and spend their lives pursuing the ring and its power. A major bit of the moral is that the protagonist himself becomes unable to complete his mission of destroying the ring because of that corruption, and in the end the mission succeeds more due to its previous owners self-destructive greed for it.

In any case, I read the book (IIRC, this is going back to my own youth) as a morality play about power and a heavy handed restatement of "Power Corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Power is defined as suppressing others' free will and self-identity -- in the books literally changing their species.

Yes, the bachur was just getting an Edomi message from the book. And your story well defines the flaw of Edom. BTW, perhaps of Yefes, "yaft E-lokim leYefes" may mean that confusing chitzoniyus for substance is more a danger in Hellenic culture than inherent in Edom (had they not imitated the Yevanim). But that's not the book's fault.


ben yissachar

I can't believe someone as deep as you could misunderstand Tolkein so badly. LOTR is (for me) the closest I have ever seen a non-Jew come to chassidus

micha: melkor = amalek. and it matches the silmarillion myth almost exactly

Andrew McBay

At this moment I am going to do my breakfast, afterward having my breakfast coming again to read other news.

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