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avakesh

From the comments in Lessons in Tanya, Compiler's Introduction

Those souls which are rooted in the attribute of kindness tend to be lenient in their halachic decisions, being inclined toward kindness, which dictates that the object be declared permissible and thus capable of being sanctified if used for a sacred purpose, and so on, with the attribute of severity dictating stringency in halachic decisions, and the attribute of beauty mediating, as is known.

In his Iggeret HaKodesh, the Alter Rebbe applies this principle to the legal arguments between the Schools of Shammai and Hillel. The School of Shammai was usually stringent, because their spiritual source was the attribute of severity; the school of Hillel usually lenient because of their source in the attribute of kindness. In certain decisions, however, their positions were reversed. For the realm of holiness is governed by the principle of mutual incorporation (התכללות), with kindness containing elements of severity and vice versa.

Now if one’s individual spiritual tendencies affect the way he views the Torah even in the area of the Halachah, which is intrinsically objective,

וכל שכן וקל וחומר בהנסתרות לה׳ אלקינו

surely, how much more so, will subjective differences play a role in “matters hidden to G‑d Almighty,”

micha

Doesn't the gemara about the three conversion candidates who approach Shammai, then Hillel, with absurd demands use those stories to support the statement, "One should always be humble like Hillel, and not short-tempered like Shammai"? And the converts conclude, "Shammai's impatience sought to drive us from the world, but Hillel's gentleness brought us under the wings of the Shechinah."

As for natural inclinations, I prefer the explanation implied by the Maharal (I am elaborating on his theme) in his commentary on Avos.

The zeugos (pairs) each are cited with pairs of aphorisms. The Maharal shows how the head of the court is saying something about strict justice, while the nasi, the leader of the masses, says something about lovingkindness. This is because it is the job of each -- one is charged with interpreting and employing the law, the other spent much of his day on charity and other societal work.

We learn that disputes over halakhah multiplied when the students of Hillel and of Shammai failed to properly serve their mentors. So, rather than learning what they really were and how they really behaved, the students of Hillel saw the man in his office as community leader, and the students of Shammai saw their mentor as the head of the court. They confused the role with the person.

And so Hillel and Shammai saw eye to eye on all but 3 laws (after having numerous discussions that resolved previous disagreements), but their students, who actually did adopt law vs kindness as the more central value, ended up disagreeing often.

Shammai wasn't as severe as he was made out to be; he was a man in a job that called for severity. Without his students having studied, preserved, or emulated his private life, we don't know what Shammai himself was really like.

I think this is less true of Hillel, as is evidenced in the personal story about the man interrupting his pre-Shabbos preparations. We have some record of what he was like as a person, even if his students didn't take the effort to serve him and inculcate that personality by example.

-micha

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